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A California Democrat Wants His State To “Fall Into The Pacific Ocean”—After He Moves!; etc.


Bob Turley (e-mail

Re: Brenda Walker`s

Million Dollar Mexican Moocher

I realize

Los Angeles Times
reporter Anna Gorman (e-mail
her) probably did not choose the title for her
newspaper`s absurdly named

, "Life in the Shadows" of which her
story about Van Nuys resident and illegal alien Ana
Puente is a part.[Immigration
Debate Hits Home for Liver Transplants,
By Anna
Gorman, Los Angeles Times, April 13, 2008]

But it is preposterous
for the LAT to suggest that Puente is

"in the shadows"
. After all, Puente (or
someone in her family) called ICE to report that she is
in the US illegally and thus could qualify for full

Medi-Cal benefits
because of the serious nature of
her illness.

When and where does the
madness end?

Actually, Puente is very
much not in the shadows but is rather a
21-year-old Mexican national awaiting her fourth
liver transplant at the

UCLA Medical Center
compliments of

California`s taxpayers.

And, in an action that
I`m quite sure did not take place

"in the shadows"
, Puente spoke openly to Gorman
when she uttered this priceless gem:

"It doesn`t matter if I`m

. They should take care of me at UCLA
for the rest of my life because I`ve been there since I
was a baby." 

As a Los Angeles
resident, I know (as does Gorman and the LAT)
that no illegal alien—and certainly not Puente— is "in
the shadows

You see them walking
along the streets, driving their children to school,
hanging out at
day labor centers
and waiting in clinics for a
variety of treatments.

I read the comments to
Gorman`s story—110 when I stopped. They were
overwhelmingly opposed to the system that favors illegal
aliens over many hard working Californians.

The Los Angeles
Times is a major cause of California`s disaster,

lobbying ceaselessly
, as it does, for more

A few years ago the
paper did a series on the pitiful

Los Angeles Unified School District
that it
published over a span of four or five weeks. Never once
was illegal immigration mentioned, as if it had

nothing to do
with the woeful condition of

LA schools

I`m a native
Californian, born and raised in

San Diego
hard on
La Jolla`s beaches.

Like Walker, I`m a
registered (and

) Democrat. And, also like Walker, I`m
pro-choice, pro-gay rights and pro-environmental causes,
but also 100 percent opposed to illegal immigration and
the anti-American entitlement attitudes it brings with

I recently bought a
house in

—as far away from California as I can get.

Once the Southland real
estate market improves and I can sell my existing home
for a reasonable price, you can

count me gone

My most fervent wish
after I leave is to hear that California has fallen into
the Pacific Ocean.

Good luck to VDARE.COM`s
California-based columnists like Walker,

Steve Sailer

Joe Guzzardi
and the other patriots who will, I
hope, carry on the battle.

My late, lamented

Golden State
could have been saved with reasonable
enforcement laws and if our governors and Senators had
taken strong anti-illegal alien positions.

Instead, they have all
failed miserably. In the end, they deserve each other.

I could go on forever.
But why harp on the obvious?

Simply stated,

California`s finished

Turley works for a large
California school district. His previous letters about "water-crazy"
Los Angeles and Somalis as the "perfect" meat
plant employees are



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A Reader In Norway Says Even Liberals Scholars Are Coming Around On Illegal Immigration


Peder Knudsen (e-mail

I am a

Norwegian Social Democrat
with great reservations
about immigration, legal or otherwise.


site is exemplary in that it offers

well-written and informative articles
on this
important subject. I sympathize with your cause.

However, may I respectfully make one point of

The economics of immigration is the most powerful
argument that can sway politicians toward our side. At
times VDARE.COM offers only the conservation viewpoint,
obscuring the fact that both sides of the immigration
argument may be of one mind.

Politicians, as well as the public, are most amiable
to inter-party cooperation when there is agreement on
both sides of the conservative/liberal divide in

This is how "conventional
" is born.

Therefore, it follows that
it would be a good idea to emphasize that the
mainstream consensus
is that

low-skilled immigrants
are a negative for the
overall economy – a statement that runs counter to all
the "we need immigrants to do the jobs Americans will
not do"
that we so frequently hear.

As an example of this I
point to

Paul Krugman
, the liberal New York Times
columnist and respected scholar who admitted in

his speech

Columbia University
that such laborers have a
negative impact on the economy.

If we apply the

MainStream Media`s
logic that since Krugman is a
liberal he therefore cannot be a racist, we have scored
an important point.

The danger for the immigration restrictionist
movement both in

and America is that we are always derided as

right-wing bigots
when, in fact, the left wing
agrees with us on at least one key economic issue.

Joe Guzzardi

Krugman has

come a long way
in his
immigration realization over the last few years. He now

Robert Samuelson

George Borjas
scattered other intellectuals—who acknowledge the
negative impact low-skilled, poorly educated illegal
aliens have on the overall economy.

Perhaps one day Krugman
will have influence on the

NY Times and

Wall Street Journal